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speedy wrote:Lee most of the time I agree fully with your well constructed posts. But I'm sorry mate I too think a change between the sticks wouldn't do any harm. I'm not going to bang on about Lewy's kicking because we all know that leaves a lot to be desired and yeah he is a superb shot stopper but show me any keeper that's not in league 2 or above, its what they are paid to do. My problem with Chris is his decision making and starting position. More often than not a ball will be played thru and you expect Chris to come out and gather it but he don't meaning the covering defender has to hoof it away. At corners he is more intent on pushing the opposition players around than he does organising his defence causing him to be in no mans land when the ball is played in. His communication with the back four at times seems non exsistant, a couple of times during the second half at Newport there were hearts in mouths moments due to this, he should be commanding his area at all times. Please don't throw he's a league 2 keeper at me, he has been for 3 seasons now with little sign of improvement so he's hardly a young inexperienced keeper. If he hasn't improved by now the I really don't know if he can. When played, Seabright has never let us down so personally I feel a change wouldn't do any harm.
I make you right Speedy,and whilst I do see Lee's argument I find it hard to expect Jordan Seabright to sit it out and watch his mate keep making the same mistakes week in week out.Rotation is the way forward I think.It inspires the dropped player to work on his weaknesses and at the same time the understudy is hungry to stay 1st choice.End result two fired up keepers instead of one complacent keeper and one dejected one on the bench.Remember Seabright is no Hogan and has proved his ability on a number of occasions in the past.
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speedy wrote:Lee most of the time I agree fully with your well constructed posts. But I'm sorry mate I too think a change between the sticks wouldn't do any harm. I'm not going to bang on about Lewy's kicking because we all know that leaves a lot to be desired and yeah he is a superb shot stopper but show me any keeper that's not in league 2 or above, its what they are paid to do. My problem with Chris is his decision making and starting position. More often than not a ball will be played thru and you expect Chris to come out and gather it but he don't meaning the covering defender has to hoof it away. At corners he is more intent on pushing the opposition players around than he does organising his defence causing him to be in no mans land when the ball is played in. His communication with the back four at times seems non exsistant, a couple of times during the second half at Newport there were hearts in mouths moments due to this, he should be commanding his area at all times. Please don't throw he's a league 2 keeper at me, he has been for 3 seasons now with little sign of improvement so he's hardly a young inexperienced keeper. If he hasn't improved by now the I really don't know if he can. When played, Seabright has never let us down so personally I feel a change wouldn't do any harm.
Agreed, good post.
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speedy wrote:Lee most of the time I agree fully with your well constructed posts. But I'm sorry mate I too think a change between the sticks wouldn't do any harm. I'm not going to bang on about Lewy's kicking because we all know that leaves a lot to be desired and yeah he is a superb shot stopper but show me any keeper that's not in league 2 or above, its what they are paid to do. My problem with Chris is his decision making and starting position. More often than not a ball will be played thru and you expect Chris to come out and gather it but he don't meaning the covering defender has to hoof it away. At corners he is more intent on pushing the opposition players around than he does organising his defence causing him to be in no mans land when the ball is played in. His communication with the back four at times seems non exsistant, a couple of times during the second half at Newport there were hearts in mouths moments due to this, he should be commanding his area at all times. Please don't throw he's a league 2 keeper at me, he has been for 3 seasons now with little sign of improvement so he's hardly a young inexperienced keeper. If he hasn't improved by now the I really don't know if he can. When played, Seabright has never let us down so personally I feel a change wouldn't do any harm.
That's fine. It's just my opinion. Having done a lot of youth goalkeeper coaching over the years, I've learned alot about the importance of a goalkeeper's mentality. I'm always very wary of 'dropping' a goalkeeper such is the role they play within the team and the fact that you'll never know when you need them. Joe Hart was used as an example of when it can be good to remove a goalkeeper from the limelight. I give you Rob Green as an alternative view. When he conceded that goal against USA at the 2010 World Cup, Capello had the choice of either backing Green and sticking with him or turning to his number 2. As it was tournament football, I personally think Capello was quite short sighted and went to his next option with little consideration with what this would do to Green's confidence in the long term. As it was David James was alright but didn't exactly set the world alight and was sluggish in the 4-1 defeat against Germany. I'm not saying Green would have completely turned it around. We'll never know so it's silly to speculate. But it's a good example of what can happen when you do 'drop' a goalkeeper. It's taken him a long time to get his career back on track.

So like I said before, I believe Seabright does deserve an opportunity at some point but I'm sure Wayne will decide when it's right for both goalkeepers to rotate roles if and when.

On a completely different note mind, when we are safe and if there is no chance of the play offs, I would like Seabright to be played for the last few games regardless of Lewington's form.
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It seems to be that lot is made of every little flaw, and half the time it ends up being contradictory.
I've seen complaints about Lewington not being vocal enough and about him beig too vocal. I've seen complaints that he doesn't come out quickly enough, and then there's the stuff about him getting sent off for handling outside his area.

The pushing at corners stuff is an odd one. He never used to do it, so I'd assume he's been told to do it. If he hasn't, then it appears he hasn't been told to stop it by the management team.

Most of his game is fine. He has the occassional dodgy moment, but so do international goalkeepers.
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DN2fan there is a difference between rushing out of his area only to handle and coming to the edge of his box to collect a ball that should rightfully be his. If his starting position was right in the first place he wouldn't have to commit the out of box offence.
As for him being vocal, a keeper can't be vocal enough, you only have to cast your mind back to Robbo barking orders for 90 minutes. All you get from Lewy, particularly at home cos its so quiet it, hold hold hold. He sounds like a sea lion on speed!
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I have every confidence in Jordan but Chris Lewington mistakes this year have been no worse then others charged with keeping our goal in tact. We have repeatedly let goals in from restarts . Two out the last three have come in this manner. We were doing it 5 minutes into the season and we are still doing it 5 months later so to single out Chris is a bit harsh.

The pushing at corners has obviously been coached into him.

I forgive him Wednesday night the goalmouth was a bloody disgrace and the bounce was horrendous. It may also have caused their penalty taker a problem on his run up. When we go there the grounds man was forking the penalty area for nearly 45 minutes, an absolute disgrace and I am just glad we did not pick up any injuries. Also he made a very good save when he had to change his feet very quickly and tip one over the bar, no easy feat I would have thought given what he was expected to stand in.

What he has got to watch is his penalty area. At both Bristol Rovers and Newport I was adjacent to the 18 yard line and he has carried the ball outside the Area before kicking it , on three occasions on Wednesday he was clearly outside during the second half alone . Fortunately the Linesman was not in line on each occasions and was ten yards further down the pitch.

Cant see Wayne changing it whilst we have a chance of playoffs or mathematically still not safe. If we have a couple of dead rubbers at the end of the season just like he has said about Sean Sheilds then Jordon may get a chance.
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I held onto my first opinion regarding the Newport free kick taking a dodgy bounce on Wednesday while those around me blamed Chris for another howler and after seeing it on you tube I stand by the condition of the pitch, good call about the penalty too Sussex.
I don't think Chris is being singled out, its just unfortunate that he plays in that specialist position. Make you right Sussex about his kicking outside the box, how he didn't get pulled up is beyond me.
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I have only one point to chip in on the Lewy issue and Thats to do with the kicking, this is a man who was trained by and replaced Robbo, who was a legend in every sense of the word but would kick the ball straight out of play probably half the time or more so it doesn't really surprise me that its been ingrained into him. Let's also remember robbo had some absolute howlers over the years too but we naturally accepted it was a blip because he was a seasoned pro, yet we're prepared to drop a kid with 1/5 the experience for making similar mistakes and claim he isn't developing adequately. (While he's still way outside the average goalies peak years). It's the same argument that comes up when Femi/Connors have a bad game, the call immediately goes out for rotation.

I don't know about anyone else but I've had some seriously bad days in the office and if my boss decided to demote me and hand everything over to someone else "because they've always done okay" (on the 5-6 games they've played in Jordan's case) I'd be pretty pissed.
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Mikins wrote:I have only one point to chip in on the Lewy issue and Thats to do with the kicking, this is a man who was trained by and replaced Robbo, who was a legend in every sense of the word but would kick the ball straight out of play probably half the time or more so it doesn't really surprise me that its been ingrained into him. Let's also remember robbo had some absolute howlers over the years too but we naturally accepted it was a blip because he was a seasoned pro, yet we're prepared to drop a kid with 1/5 the experience for making similar mistakes and claim he isn't developing adequately. (While he's still way outside the average goalies peak years). It's the same argument that comes up when Femi/Connors have a bad game, the call immediately goes out for rotation.

I don't know about anyone else but I've had some seriously bad days in the office and if my boss decided to demote me and hand everything over to someone else "because they've always done okay" (on the 5-6 games they've played in Jordan's case) I'd be pretty pissed.
Well said Mikins.

Lewy is a good L2 keeper IMO - Certainly not an area I'd be looking to be strengthen in the summer
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