Confederate Flag
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:37 am
Double standards much ???
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And this was also highlighted to Glyn Hopkin before he pulled out and I wonder how long before this is deemed offence to post.
The club deemed the confederate flag racist flag ( which the supporters club committee back them when they banned it at home games ) not the picture of Trump so it`s double standards what ever way you look at it.
All agreed Mike but many USA people also believe the Confederate flag is a major part of American heritage and history and people have Confederate descendants.Mike the Dagger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:19 pm The club had complaints about the Confederate flag when it was displayed and shown on TV at the home play off semi final last season. This was also picked up by the FA I believe who contacted the club about it being displayed.
The flag iteself is widely regarded as being a racist symbol both here and definitely in large parts of the USA. At around that time Donald Trump and North Korea were having a dick measuring competition over nuclear weapons. It is not something that the football club wanted to be associated with and particularly it would seem our new investor.
A few pretend cowboys use it in the clubhouse on Sundays. Yep, possibly double standards there, but that is not on live TV as a depiction of the football club, and by implication it's owners and it's fans.
Dave Bennett approached supporters at the second leg offering to pay to replace it, however this was rejected because it wasn't done through the right channels apparently (see various podcasts). The SC felt this could all have been resolved by going through them and a meeting in the summer which didn't happen. Paul Gwinn however re-iterated that the flag was banned and made a further offer to pay for the flag to be replaced in writing to the SC in July, but this was also not followed up.
Hopkin banned it and all other flags from home games, and after the issues at Eastleigh in August, which may or may not have been anything to do with the flags and their owners, Hopkin asked that future opponents be made aware that the flags were banned at Victoria Road setting off the whole "email" thing. The club maintain they only emailed Fylde and Maidstone, the banshees insist the "club must hate the fans" and it was sent to everyone (except Orient and Hartlepool).
The rest is history!
Picture below taken in Charlottesville, August 2017!
https://lifeandfaith.blog/2017/08/22/charlottesville/
Definitely another view, and having travelled extensively in the US I have seen the flag on a lot of vehicles and elsewhere. You can't deny it's racist undertone though. You won't seen too many African Americans wearing or displaying it.ThatRoundThing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:29 pm
All agreed Mike but many USA people also believe the Confederate flag is a major part of American heritage and history and people have Confederate descendants.
I suppose in the same way British people still celebrate Guy Fawkes who in modern day terms could be labelled as a terroist who attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament which would have seen killing and maiming of innocent people that isn’t to dissimilar than what we have witnessed recently. Just another point of view really.
Britain doesn’t come out too well when it comes to slavery as the TV programme Jamestown continued to show. Early British settlers in North America bought, sold and bartered slaves and the same could be said of the British Empire in India.Mike the Dagger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:40 pmDefinitely another view, and having travelled extensively in the US I have seen the flag on a lot of vehicles and elsewhere. You can't deny it's racist undertone though. You won't seen too many African Americans wearing or displaying it.ThatRoundThing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:29 pm
All agreed Mike but many USA people also believe the Confederate flag is a major part of American heritage and history and people have Confederate descendants.
I suppose in the same way British people still celebrate Guy Fawkes who in modern day terms could be labelled as a terroist who attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament which would have seen killing and maiming of innocent people that isn’t to dissimilar than what we have witnessed recently. Just another point of view really.
At this point D4E will probably pop up and point at the National Front using the Cross of St George and Union Jack, but those are people trying to confuse patriotism with something else. The Confederate flag is actually a symbol from the South's war to retain slavery in the 1850s.
It's a flag, in itself it is just a symbol. It is what that symbol is associated with that is the problem. Let's have a German night at the club and display a few swastikas.dagger4eva wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:54 pm You underplay it if you wish by making it out to be a few fake cowboys.
The fact is, if its actually such a horrid, vile, racist flag (I actually have little or no view on whether it is or not) - then the club ought to have banned it many years ago from being put out at the club.
The fact it's a different circumstance to it being displayed at a football match is frankly neither here nor there. Either the club has a view on the flag or it doesn't.
Double standards.
Isn't Guy Fawkes Night a celebration of the fact he didn't succeed rather than celebrating him?ThatRoundThing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:29 pmAll agreed Mike but many USA people also believe the Confederate flag is a major part of American heritage and history and people have Confederate descendants.Mike the Dagger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:19 pm The club had complaints about the Confederate flag when it was displayed and shown on TV at the home play off semi final last season. This was also picked up by the FA I believe who contacted the club about it being displayed.
The flag iteself is widely regarded as being a racist symbol both here and definitely in large parts of the USA. At around that time Donald Trump and North Korea were having a dick measuring competition over nuclear weapons. It is not something that the football club wanted to be associated with and particularly it would seem our new investor.
A few pretend cowboys use it in the clubhouse on Sundays. Yep, possibly double standards there, but that is not on live TV as a depiction of the football club, and by implication it's owners and it's fans.
Dave Bennett approached supporters at the second leg offering to pay to replace it, however this was rejected because it wasn't done through the right channels apparently (see various podcasts). The SC felt this could all have been resolved by going through them and a meeting in the summer which didn't happen. Paul Gwinn however re-iterated that the flag was banned and made a further offer to pay for the flag to be replaced in writing to the SC in July, but this was also not followed up.
Hopkin banned it and all other flags from home games, and after the issues at Eastleigh in August, which may or may not have been anything to do with the flags and their owners, Hopkin asked that future opponents be made aware that the flags were banned at Victoria Road setting off the whole "email" thing. The club maintain they only emailed Fylde and Maidstone, the banshees insist the "club must hate the fans" and it was sent to everyone (except Orient and Hartlepool).
The rest is history!
Picture below taken in Charlottesville, August 2017!
https://lifeandfaith.blog/2017/08/22/charlottesville/
I suppose in the same way British people still celebrate Guy Fawkes who in modern day terms could be labelled as a terroist who attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament which would have seen killing and maiming of innocent people that isn’t to dissimilar than what we have witnessed recently. Just another point of view really.