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Interesting discussion. As a former 15 year old girl who heavily pursued a 27 year old man, Im going to post the following, which I added on Confguide yesterday. I knew my own mind when I was 15. I knew I wanted to be with him. Nothing in the world would stop me from being with him, although nothing much happened until I was older.
I think it should be on a case by case basis once a girl has turned 15. Migitating circumstances should be taken into account. If the girl pursued the man and it was hanky panky rather than consensual sex, then that is mitigation. If she was in an nightclub for over 18s and lies about her age to him that is mitigation. If he knows she is 15 and has 'consensual sex' that is not mitigation.
Adam Johnson
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Paul from Barking
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Although some people find it displeasing, Adam Johnson IS a paedophile - end of.
What makes me laugh about all of this though is that the law would allow me, for example, now in my mid 50s, to go and pick up a 16 year old and do whatever I could pursuade her to do for my own relief and delictation.... but the 16, 17 or 18 year old boy might end up having to sign the sexual offenders list for shagging a consenting 15 year old?!?!?!?!?!
We need graduated steps where the younger person can be no more than 2 or 3 years than the older person until the younger person reaches 21. Unqestionably young people, male of female, are not "fair game" to men or women) in their late 20s, their 30s, 40s, 50s or 60s.
Johnson ought to be castrated for doing what he did. Perhaps if that was the punishment some of our children would not be exploited like this on a daily basis by adult perverts who ought to know better
What makes me laugh about all of this though is that the law would allow me, for example, now in my mid 50s, to go and pick up a 16 year old and do whatever I could pursuade her to do for my own relief and delictation.... but the 16, 17 or 18 year old boy might end up having to sign the sexual offenders list for shagging a consenting 15 year old?!?!?!?!?!
We need graduated steps where the younger person can be no more than 2 or 3 years than the older person until the younger person reaches 21. Unqestionably young people, male of female, are not "fair game" to men or women) in their late 20s, their 30s, 40s, 50s or 60s.
Johnson ought to be castrated for doing what he did. Perhaps if that was the punishment some of our children would not be exploited like this on a daily basis by adult perverts who ought to know better
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rechitski kinzhal
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The word "paedophile" is highly emotive, so please do not say he IS a paedophile when clearly he is not. A paedophile is someone sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. The "victim" in this case was very much a woman despite her age. Johnson seems to have been quite a womaniser - but most of his conquests have been woman. In this case she was underage, and he knew it and still carried on. I agree absolutely that Johnson has done wrong and should be punished, but please don't jump on the paedophile bandwagon. This phoney outrage is getting quite silly. Johnson is wrong, wrong, wrong. Underage sexual touching is wrong. BUT there is no evidence whatsoever that he is turned on by pre-pubescent children.
Although some people find it displeasing, Adam Johnson IS NOT a paedophile - end of.
Although some people find it displeasing, Adam Johnson IS NOT a paedophile - end of.
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Paul from Barking
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Retchishki. The word paedophile might be 'emotive' but it is appropriate. If a 15 year old girl were to ask me to ****** her whilst wearing the most alluring, sexiest of lingerie & smelling like heaven, I would resist because I am an adult and she would be a child. When adults have sexual relations with children, it may be "emotive" but the appropriate word is paedophilia because that is what it is: PAEDOPHILIA.
If you're in your late 20s (or older) and don't want to be branded a PAEDOPHILE, then don't have sexual relations with children - it's quite straightforwards, isn't it? 15 year old GIRLS are *not* fair game to men in their late 20s no matter what is going on hormone wise in their heads.
They might have developped the equipment but the brains to control it are way lacking and they misjudge interest in them sexually for interest in them emotionally or by way of their personality. The 15 year old girls I know are interesting for about 20 minutes while they tell me what they're up to at school and then they are boring because they are as of yet an empty book-case without any experience of life in which to be interested. They may look 'pretty' - but that is certainly no reason or excuse to sexually abuse them and take advantage of their naivety, is it?
Had he been 17 or 18 himself, perhaps even 20 or 21 at absolute tops where her life's experience would be more of a match for him it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad but he was living with a woman of roughly his own age whom he'd put in the family way.... and is out trying to ****** and getting a blow job from a 15 year old kid?
And he's not a paedophile?
What planet are we on here, people? FFS!
If you're in your late 20s (or older) and don't want to be branded a PAEDOPHILE, then don't have sexual relations with children - it's quite straightforwards, isn't it? 15 year old GIRLS are *not* fair game to men in their late 20s no matter what is going on hormone wise in their heads.
They might have developped the equipment but the brains to control it are way lacking and they misjudge interest in them sexually for interest in them emotionally or by way of their personality. The 15 year old girls I know are interesting for about 20 minutes while they tell me what they're up to at school and then they are boring because they are as of yet an empty book-case without any experience of life in which to be interested. They may look 'pretty' - but that is certainly no reason or excuse to sexually abuse them and take advantage of their naivety, is it?
Had he been 17 or 18 himself, perhaps even 20 or 21 at absolute tops where her life's experience would be more of a match for him it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad but he was living with a woman of roughly his own age whom he'd put in the family way.... and is out trying to ****** and getting a blow job from a 15 year old kid?
And he's not a paedophile?
What planet are we on here, people? FFS!
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rechitski kinzhal
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I have twice explained exactly what a paedophile is - third time, it is someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children ( children who have not yet reached puberty, the excitement is because they have child-like bodies). It is generally regarded to refer to children up to age 11, but as an absolute maximum 13. In other words anyone who is attracted to an under-age girl who looks like a woman but is a child in the eyes of the law, maybe many things, but he is not a paedophile. Most of your arguments are accepted, but people are using a wholly inappropriate term just to make their outrage more effective. All my posts agree he has done wrong, but paedophile is the wrong term.
You clearly don't like being told you are wrong, but you are, and you are devaluing your otherwise good points by using an emotive, but incorrect term.
It is clear I won't convince you, so let's drop it, but please look up paedophiles on wiki.
You clearly don't like being told you are wrong, but you are, and you are devaluing your otherwise good points by using an emotive, but incorrect term.
It is clear I won't convince you, so let's drop it, but please look up paedophiles on wiki.
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Paul from Barking
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My friend, I can assure you I know that I don't have a monopoly on being right - but at least I already know that. With respect who the ****** are you? The omnipotent one agaist whose perfection and correctness others are to judged? I don't have a problem with you or anyone else telling me that you disagree with me - you certainly do have the right to a difference of opinion in which you state you think having a shag with a girl once she's begun menstruation makes her a complete woman.... at 12 or 13 no less....rechitski kinzhal wrote:I have twice explained exactly what a paedophile is - third time, it is someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children ( children who have not yet reached puberty, the excitement is because they have child-like bodies). It is generally regarded to refer to children up to age 11, but as an absolute maximum 13. In other words anyone who is attracted to an under-age girl who looks like a woman but is a child in the eyes of the law, maybe many things, but he is not a paedophile. Most of your arguments are accepted, but people are using a wholly inappropriate term just to make their outrage more effective. All my posts agree he has done wrong, but paedophile is the wrong term.
You clearly don't like being told you are wrong, but you are, and you are devaluing your otherwise good points by using an emotive, but incorrect term.
It is clear I won't convince you, so let's drop it, but please look up paedophiles on wiki.
But let me tell you that most men (supported by the law), think that other men in their late 20s who interfere with or groom 15 year old girls are paedophiles, And whilst you are entitled to your view other people like me "toning down" the revulsion we feel about nonces wanting a blow job off of a kid, my view is that if you think 15 year old girls are fair game, you're a pervert who ought to be castrated.
28 year old extremely wealthy men rolling up and taking advantage of 15 year old girls who have a crush "for a sly, grubby ****** or blow-job" is the behaviour of a paedophile - whether said 15 year old bleeds or not!
If you don't want other men to think you're a nonce case paedo, just don't go near of by underage girls. In fact, men in their late 20s don[t go near teenagers of whatever age. And I for one am not going to allow you to diminish just how seriously the rest of us see this
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rechitski kinzhal
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Sorry but you failed to comprehend a single word I wrote which rather negates any comments you wish to make.
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Paul from Barking
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What's it like being a full of himself tosser?Self centred, pious & arrogant arsehole wrote:Sorry but you failed to comprehend a single word I wrote which rather negates any comments you wish to make.
I understand what you said: You want to diminish the seriousness of interfering with schoolgirls probably I'm beginning to conclude because it's something you'd quite like to do yourself.... But "steady on" you don't want to be called a nonce case if tempted into trying to get a blow job for a packet of pink pencils from a 15 year old 'vixen' who's "asking for it" by wearing a school uniform.... on her way back from, erm ... school...
I totally DISAGREE with your view that it isn't paedophilia. I will repeat something that obviously didn't go in because of your lack of comprehension: I respect your right to form and hold a different view from me and the other people who have posted - however because I don't want to try to excuse nor diminish the noncing of schoolgirls like you obviously do, I am not going to acquiesce to your demand that I 'tone down' the word(s) I choose to use to describe this behaviour to "kiss chase with uncle - let's keep this a secret".
When a 28 year old man REPEATEDLY meets up with a schoolgirl hoping for a shag, it is paedophilia - you might want to call it "our harmless little secret" but it is PAEDOPHILIA and people who follow this course of conduct are PAEDOPHILES. The role of adults in society is to protect young people - not take them up on and take advantage of an innocent crush and abuse their naivety and ultimately make them feel very bad about themselves for the following decade or more when they actually do realise that have been badly used and robbed of their innocence!
With respects, it is NOT "harmless fun", is it? Well, IS IT?!? Such behaviour is a manifest total lack of respect for vulnerable people and women in general. Would you really be happy if some 28 year old sleeze ball took an unhealthy interest in your 15 year old sister, niece, daughter? On the blow-job for a tee-shirt basis? "Kiss chase with uncle??"
Johnson ought to be castrated. Then other people - like you - [who dismiss it as "insignificant, harmless fun" (where the girl is obviously "asking for it" you'd like to have us believe)] might think "****** me - they'll cut my bollocks off if I do that.... so I think I better not do something I oughtn't".
By all means, disagree with me but please don't lord over it like no-one else can form and hold a different view from you, looking down your nose where everyone is 'wrong' because that is what Hitler did.... though he didn't interfere with kids
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Six years in jail (I guess he'll be out in three).
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Paul from Barking
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Trying to set my "castrate him!" anger to one side and looking at what's come out today in with the sentencing; I think that 6 years with release after 3 and being on the sex offenders list for life is about right.Mike the Dagger wrote:Six years in jail (I guess he'll be out in three).
Bye then.
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Hopefully the punishment will be a deterrent to others who want to keep a secret with a kid.
It wouldn't surprise me if he never plays professional again but he should have saved some of his £60 grand a week sso that the rest of us dont have to keep him when he gets out.
Teenagers and younger children are not "fair game to a mature man in his mid 20's or later - and anybody who wants to pursue this course of conduct will be reminded by what's been said in court today that there's likely to be some porridge at the end of it