The EU Referendum

[Dagdale]

Think it will be a very tight result over England, but as already well known London with all the mass immigration and 'middle class lefties' will definitely be an inner but think the remain campaign has been run disgracefully with all 'the threats' and hardships we will have if an outer is achieved, Christ man were the fifth strongest industrialized country, the world wants us. Will hate Cameron for ever with the famous line that he knew technically he could never achieve- to get the immigration figures down to the thousands, and will always remember three other factors for ages without a Nigel Farage to speak out for so many people who feel completely lost with a country that is unrecognizable from a country 20, 30 years back, those poor hard struggling fisherman going down the Thames the other day with those lovely remain luvvies sticking a finger up, so much for the main logic by them of respecting other peoples opinions and finally one million people coming here in every three years (at present) and that's only what they're telling us!

[davei]

Paul, with respect to the UK timeline in the EU, it has taken 40 odd years to get to where we are today.

Like most of those who wish to stay, you are perhaps looking at things through rose tinted glasses. With unemployment as it is in Europe, the economies of perhaps as many as 80% of the countries in the EU on the verge of collapse, all are looking for the UK to bail them out. If so, exactly what please tell me does the UK get out of this deal. If this is what 40 years of being in this club is about, bailing out other countries, what has been gained

As for changing the rules from within, how do you justify that argument given the circumstances faced today (after 40 years)....?

[Paul from Barking]

The majesty of democracy.

I congratulate the winning side in the referendum and will do my bit where I live and what I'm involved in to facilitate and make the decision the country has taken work.

It is a time to heal. This has been very devisive on both sides - but we're all British in the end.

[davei]

100%

[rebeldagger]

Two pages of comments and not one on what has appeared to be the biggest (and first) major stumbling block, the Irish border.

I was dismayed with how little attention was paid to this during the run up to the referendum, for which we are paying the price.

[rebeldagger]

Well this is going well isn't it?

[Mike the Dagger]

Yep, factor caused by a divisive campaign to water it all down.

Should just have said "we're off" and forced them to negotiate with us instead of trying to pussyfoot round all the various issues, instead at every turn there has been whining, disunity and opposition to everything our side of the negotiation has said.

Had they offered proper concessions to Cameron when he went asking for them before the referendum, we wouldn't be here, yet we have pandered to them over and over again.

They manage open EU/non-EU borders in Switzerland, Norway etc. It's not impossible to do, if you are willing to do it.

[Dagdale]

Well I'm just about done with this government's snail pace and worry 'what Brussels say we gotta do' on this Brexit issue. Maybe day's when Tories were hardliners long gone and will never return, not a Tory one minute but certainly neither Labour from what I see first hand how London Town's fallen to beyond repair and it cries me to shame. Brexit was a democratic vote about what the United Kingdom voted for and most people's concerns were about the free movement of people from other states and further and getting our sovereign state BACK and over two years down the line not a single zilch mentioned about enforcing stricter border controls and its still open gates. Its an utter joke! As it looks certain now, which most already knew anyway, a soft Brexit is in the making and agenda, and as that dear ole school English gent from Yorkshire spoke up for the many millions on question time 'when we voted we voted a leave and nothing else that was the question on our ballot paper and it didn't say anything else about a concession or a deal, shambles the lot of it.

[bloke down the pub]

It's nothing to with race. We just want out.

[HGDagger]

Looks like the betrayal is officially complete

[BB-Dagger]

Unfortunately unlike the majority vote in the referendum the majority of MP’s are anti brexit, fact is there are only two options on the table and they are either hard Brexit or no Brexit, the deal being proposed is staying in without any voting rights or say on what goes on in the EU. The betrayal has to be remembered at the next election, remember your local MP in Dagenham john Judas is going against what his local electorate wants. Vote him out! (And I hate the tories)

[Dagdale]

We must be the laughing stock of the world, its been almost 3 years to see this out and are we any closer? We all know over two thirds of that lot didn't want out and why wasn't a fully fledged Brexiter given the leading job to finish it off? Talk about put the spanner in the works and with project fear what havn't they blamed Brexit on? Remember the famous tabloid heading 'were running out of Baristas cause if free movement goes nobody can make the coffee! Think its rather disgusting that Main Stream Media has never given the deeper Brexit issues fair air time. Why does this country always seem 'to have to play it by the book', everywhere I travel countries seem less bothered and why are we negotiating with an establishment who never wanted us to leave in the first place? Very odd all of it. Never after all these years did most of us think it would be 'a walk in the park' but have ministers forgotten how to run their own country and just how wonderful it would be at last to say we have our own sovereign state back and were calling the shots. We should be up for the challenge. We far outlay more imports here than we export, although I of course would long for a Brexit to change that and can't see why not, why would the rest of Europe fall short of still trading with us? When I was a kid we made some great motorbikes, cars, ships and everybody seemed up for buying anything British, 40 odd years of relying on the EU we fell asleep big time, and its proving that point very much right now. Were glued and like puppets on a chain. Is it ever worth putting a cross on a ballot sheet again?

[rebeldagger]

Strong and stable?

please.... :huh: