Views from the Sieve

RampantDuke wrote:

Mike the Dagger wrote:

Auntie Merge wrote:One of the reasons Steve Thompson and Dave Bennett etc have not yet gone is because all some people do on here is criticise other supporters, rather than collaborate and act as a collective against a common cause.

By the way sometimes I type or write up what I'm going to post on here before I do. I don't think it's uncommon.

Actually the major reason Tommo and Bennett have not gone yet is they would leave a massive hole in the day to day runn8ing of the club (Tommo) and its finances (Bennett) that would see us in even more trouble than we are now. Whether you think most of what they do day to day is wrong or right, whether you think they have made a series of poor decisions over the last few years (which I do actually), they actually care massively about the Daggers.

As for writing stuff down, do you often do that then find when you look at the post some time later that you wrote the total opposite of what you meant to??

If so, I recommend https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/ ;)

This is probably far more truthful than anyone wants to admit. I would like to understand who is waiting in the wings to do the job that Thompson does on the money he earns and with as much enthusiasm and passion for the club. I don't like Thompson as a person - I find him odious and yes he has made many mistakes but I haven't seen the succession plan. Any ideas?

Advertise for the position like a normal firm would whittle down the candidates and choose the best one. A better candidate would probably be cheaper and certainly more approachable.

Mike.....responding to your last post. Think you have totally overstepped the mark making light/fun of Alzheimer's disease. There is a thin line about what is acceptable and not acceptable and you have crossed the line sunshine, Alzheimer's/dementia has recently overtaken heart disease as the biggest killing disease in this country and to make fun of it is beyond belief. A few years back a family member was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. That person!s wish was to remain at home and her children agreed to this. As a large family we all helped with care. To see the person as she was with Alzheimer's was heartbreaking especially as she was always the life and soul at family parties. banter is banter. But comments like this nah bad language nah sarcasm nah digs nah. How a thread entitled new consortium has turned into this I don't know. Find it very sad really to be honest.

diggerdagger1 wrote:Mike.....responding to your last post. Think you have totally overstepped the mark making light/fun of Alzheimer's disease. There is a thin line about what is acceptable and not acceptable and you have crossed the line sunshine, Alzheimer's/dementia has recently overtaken heart disease as the biggest killing disease in this country and to make fun of it is beyond belief. A few years back a family member was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. That person!s wish was to remain at home and her children agreed to this. As a large family we all helped with care. To see the person as she was with Alzheimer's was heartbreaking especially as she was always the life and soul at family parties. banter is banter. But comments like this nah bad language nah sarcasm nah digs nah. How a thread entitled new consortium has turned into this I don't know. Find it very sad really to be honest.

I'm wiping my tears and blowing my nose on my blue and white scarf. So sorry I have upset you.

Seriously though, if you find yourself planning and writing notes on what you are posting here, then find you have written the total opposite of what you meant, the link may be useful to you.

No answer for Alan's point?

Mike the Dagger wrote:

diggerdagger1 wrote:Mike.....responding to your last post. Think you have totally overstepped the mark making light/fun of Alzheimer's disease. There is a thin line about what is acceptable and not acceptable and you have crossed the line sunshine, Alzheimer's/dementia has recently overtaken heart disease as the biggest killing disease in this country and to make fun of it is beyond belief. A few years back a family member was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. That person!s wish was to remain at home and her children agreed to this. As a large family we all helped with care. To see the person as she was with Alzheimer's was heartbreaking especially as she was always the life and soul at family parties. banter is banter. But comments like this nah bad language nah sarcasm nah digs nah. How a thread entitled new consortium has turned into this I don't know. Find it very sad really to be honest.

I'm wiping my tears and blowing my nose on my blue and white scarf. So sorry I have upset you.

Seriously though, if you find yourself planning and writing notes on what you are posting here, then find you have written the total opposite of what you meant, the link may be useful to you.

Mo answer for Alan's point?

No apology for me?

Auntie Merge wrote:

Mike the Dagger wrote:

diggerdagger1 wrote:Mike.....responding to your last post. Think you have totally overstepped the mark making light/fun of Alzheimer's disease. There is a thin line about what is acceptable and not acceptable and you have crossed the line sunshine, Alzheimer's/dementia has recently overtaken heart disease as the biggest killing disease in this country and to make fun of it is beyond belief. A few years back a family member was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. That person!s wish was to remain at home and her children agreed to this. As a large family we all helped with care. To see the person as she was with Alzheimer's was heartbreaking especially as she was always the life and soul at family parties. banter is banter. But comments like this nah bad language nah sarcasm nah digs nah. How a thread entitled new consortium has turned into this I don't know. Find it very sad really to be honest.

I'm wiping my tears and blowing my nose on my blue and white scarf. So sorry I have upset you.

Seriously though, if you find yourself planning and writing notes on what you are posting here, then find you have written the total opposite of what you meant, the link may be useful to you.

No answer for Alan's point?

No apology for me?

For crying out loud Suze, it was a link to a site that offers support for a shocking illness, not some kind of personal sleight against anyone.

In time you will get over it (or forget it ;) )

This is probably far more truthful than anyone wants to admit. I would like to understand who is waiting in the wings to do the job that Thompson does on the money he earns and with as much enthusiasm and passion for the club. I don't like Thompson as a person - I find him odious and yes he has made many mistakes but I haven't seen the succession plan. Any ideas?[/quote]

Advertise for the position like a normal firm would whittle down the candidates and choose the best one. A better candidate would probably be cheaper and certainly more approachable.[/quote]

Maybe but maybe not. What is Thompson on at the moment? A decent MD of any organisation would be wanting circa £150K pa. I'm no expert on running a football club but I do know a lot about senior level recruitment as that is my day job. My concern is that he probably does a lot of out of hours stuff that another candidate might not. Just being pragmatic about it.

Mike the Dagger...... Please apologise to Diggerdagger1

That comment was bang out of order

Mike......must end with a bit of sarcasm eh! Irrespective of your intentions you should never have mentioned Alzheimer's in any shape or form! Especially when we all forget things eh? Must say I think you could spend your time better contacting your pal on the board and getting the savours and getting permission to publish them. Just wonder if your response would have been the same is another poster had asked you re the accounts. Also I answered Alan's point many posts ago. And to compare a blue and white scarf to Alzheimer's......really!!!!!!

diggerdagger1 wrote:Mike......must end with a bit of sarcasm eh! Irrespective of your intentions you should never have mentioned Alzheimer's in any shape or form! Especially when we all forget things eh? Must say I think you could spend your time better contacting your pal on the board and getting the savours and getting permission to publish them. Just wonder if your response would have been the same is another poster had asked you re the accounts. Also I answered Alan's point many posts ago. And to compare a blue and white scarf to Alzheimer's......really!!!!!!

I think Mike means this point, to which I cannot see a response.

Alan wrote:I have to say that I find the whole business of wrongly stating that you voted for when you abstained very strange. You didn't state that you voted for reluctantly, you stated that to not vote for it would not bear thinking about.

diggerdagger1 wrote:Di Mike dash wood...... As a member I was at the meeting last night. The members were given a straight chose either to vote for or abstain. Tbh there was only one bid on the table and to not vote for it would not bear thinking about. Totally wrong to put the members in this position imo. Comments like the club is surviving on a month to month basis possible administration were used before the vote. I personally was disappointed with some of the members tbh.

Nope you never answered that ^^^^ fella. Maybe you wrote it down and forgot to post it here??

And you have repeatedly had digs at me. my motivation, my support of the club even, accused me of posting under multiple IDs and not apologised or done so sarcastically. I can live with that... just don't expect a free pass to spout your BFM.

All this fake indignation and deflection over a link to a very worthy organisation that may well be able to assist you with your apparent issue of writing the exact opposite that you apparently meant seems a little OTT tbh.

Alan......how many more times I posted that incorrectly and how many times do you want me to apologise? Again I will ask how has a thread entitled new consortium ending with reference to a very distasteful post re Alzheimer's and how I voted ar an egm. Can we all get a grip please? Any views on how it had got to this?

diggerdagger1 wrote:"]Alan......how many more times I posted that incorrectly and how many times do you want me to apologise?

Nope, you said you meant something else and typed it wrong, yet the whole of the post is heading towards you reluctantly voting for the motion as you had no alternative. Which was fine. If you believed the club was in a hole and needed investment, there was only one way to vote and I understand the reluctance totally, if I'd been a member I would have done the same TBH.

You didn't correct that over the following couple of weeks either even when challenged, it was only in November that you changed your mind and became one of the 11 brave abstainers. Now you claim that what you wrote, which was actually good English and totally justified your decision, was incorrect. You have since had attempts to blame this on old age, confusion, lack of familiarity with technology etc.

I am guessing that Alan doesn't believe that explanation any more than I do, hence him pushing you for an explanation of your position, but I won't put words in his mouth.

diggerdagger1 wrote:Again I will ask how has a thread entitled new consortium ending with reference to a very distasteful post re Alzheimer's and how I voted ar an egm.

Given the above I posted a genuine link to an organisation that helps with Alzheimer's, which has many of the symptoms you are claiming caused you to do one thing, then write something completely different just a day later, and not realise that you had done that for a couple of weeks at least.

As you have pointed out several times, I have a tendency to resort to sarcasm, particularly when faced with someone spouting total bollocks. As I believe you are spouting absolute bollocks, this is what I did. If however your behaviour is due to you genuinely suffering from Alzheimer's I apologise for doing that, but am also happy I have pointed you somewhere that may be able to help you.

diggerdagger1 wrote:Can we all get a grip please? Any views on how it had got to this?

I believe we are here because of your fake indignation and consistent lack of honesty.

You are getting in some quality trolling though, well done.

But you hadn't responded to that particular point.

The thing is, you made a post the day following the meeting that was entirely inconsistent with the way you say you voted.

You stated that it was a simple error and you meant to say that you reluctantly abstained when you typed that you reluctantly voted for. Of itself, that's quite a stretch, but if you put it in the context of the rest of the post in which you said that you voted for, in particular where you stated that voting against did not bear thinking about, your explanation looks incredible.

You then responded to this thread lecturing everyone on what should be done this time round, so people are bound to recall your previous posts about voting.

Mike/Alan......for once an for all I made a genuine mistake and can only apologise for that. What more do you want me to do? Again I repeat this thread is about new consortium not the way I voted at the egm. Sorry Mike Ibut you were bang out of order mentioning Alzheimer's a view I might add shared by auntie merge and chigwellian. Then you accuse me of fake motives. I am glad you have accepted my comment about sarcasm as this is not a view that is mine alone. You then go into the classics deflection role and try to make me and merge the villains. This is the 3rd or 4th time how I voted at the egm has been brought up on different threads and the original thread subject has been lost. We all need to move on . The next 2to 3 months are crucial to our club and that's what we should all concentrate on surely? Finally Mike I get the impression that you are pals with the board particularly Bennett. I am firmly in the Bennett out camp. You abnd I have different views. Who is right or who is wrong only time will tell. At the club I am fortunate to be given information which I then share on here. It is very upsetting to be accused of making it up or lieu get. Time will be the judge whether I am right or wrong. I now know how merge felt when she was being abused on here foe lieingspreading malicious gossip etc etc. How right merge was an how refreshing that some posters apologised to her. There does not need to be any fallout from the tamplin affair if we all pull together.

dagger4eva wrote:

Diggerthedog wrote:

Auntie Merge wrote:One of the reasons Steve Thompson and Dave Bennett etc have not yet gone is because all some people do on here is criticise other supporters, rather than collaborate and act as a collective against a common cause.

By the way sometimes I type or write up what I'm going to post on here before I do. I don't think it's uncommon.

Actually the major reason Tommo and Bennett have not gone yet is they would leave a massive hole in the day to day runn8ing of the club (Tommo) and its finances (Bennett) that would see us in even more trouble than we are now. Whether you think most of what they do day to day is wrong or right, whether you think they have made a series of poor decisions over the last few years (which I do actually), they actually care massively about the Daggers.

As for writing stuff down, do you often do that then find when you look at the post some time later that you wrote the total opposite of what you meant to??

If so, I recommend https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/ ;)

Thompson is paid handsomely and can be replaced. Bennett cared so much he was holidaying in Florida when the most important meeting in the clubs history took place. Yes he pumps in money but its only a loan and is repaid in full.

The club at the end of the season need to go part time, the finances/gates prove this. Dover don't do to badly in this mode.

Correction in bold - and should also add saw it fit to give himself an approx. £5k pay rise recently despite the club's more than precarious position.

#JustSaying[/quote]


It's a disgrace in my opinion that whole pay rise malarchy. How the fook did he get away with that?